thanks for taking the time to explain. I wondered if I'd missed something with the crown or if it was a link to the nearby china manufacturer-Cr own Potteries. It's a pedantic point but it is a Stafford Knot-after the Earl of Stafford (owner of much of the North of Scotland) and not the Staffordshire knot. But as many people and pub names get this wrong in Staffs, you are forgiven. I like my heraldry-it might show in my designs!!!